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Emunator · Jun 17, 2010, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I hope it works out for you. Was this program like the achievement faker thing that is all over WOW?

edit: you may want to remove your real name from the above posts, call me paranoid but it would not hurt.

Dont know if it is all over wow, but it is the achievement faker yes. (But remember it's only local, other people cant see it)
And i dont really mind if people know my real name, but thanks for the sugestion.

Tullzinski · Jun 17, 2010, 04:53 PM // 16:53

People in WOW are using it to get in raiding parties by faking the achievements. Not an issue with GW from what I have read.

I lost years of stuff in Diablo 2 so I feel for you, again I hope it works out for you.

Martin Alvito · Jun 17, 2010, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

People in WOW are using it to get in raiding parties by faking the achievements.

Isn't that like buying your r9 back in the day? (ie: the instant you join Vent, everyone realizes you're not r9, screams GTFO and leader kicks you so far that you bounce?)

Or are things less sophisticated/less dependent on voice chat over there?

belshazaarswrath · Jun 17, 2010, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Finally a little spark of hope.
Gaile Gray decided to look into my banning.
Seems they can be human when they want too.

I have mailed her all the info she asked for and now i will just have to wait.

I take back anything bad I said about anet on the issue.

Tullzinski · Jun 17, 2010, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Isn't that like buying your r9 back in the day? (ie: the instant you join Vent, everyone realizes you're not r9, screams GTFO and leader kicks you so far that you bounce?)

Or are things less sophisticated/less dependent on voice chat over there?

I believe you are correct. Not sure if WOW raiders are kicking the fakers out. Since I do not play WOW and only keep a wandering eye on things I cannot speak to the voice chat. Looking at some WOW forums about Faker I saw no mention of people being booted after faking.

If it is true what eric has stated and only the faker himself can see it on GW it seems pretty harmless. Keyword seems...

Firebaall · Jun 17, 2010, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Seems...indeed.

Those claiming to only use PaketFakor are not telling the whole story.

PaketFackor injects the same graphics.dll that the injecting botters used. It used the Guild Wars Client API. It used the same means in interacting with guild wars as the bot scripts.

THATS WHY THEY GOT BANNED

If Anet allows this to be an excuse, get ready for each and every one of those botters to claim that they only used PaketFakor.

Anet...keep PaketFakor users banned.

Emunator · Jun 17, 2010, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

Seems...indeed.

Those claiming to only use PaketFakor are not telling the whole story.

PaketFackor injects the same graphics.dll that the injecting botters used. It used the Guild Wars Client API. It used the same means in interacting with guild wars as the bot scripts.

THATS WHY THEY GOT BANNED

If Anet allows this to be an excuse, get ready for each and every one of those botters to claim that they only used PaketFakor.

Anet...keep PaketFakor users banned.

Can i ask what i did to hurt you ??
They can see in their log files that i am not even farming, that i had a long break before returning to actively playing the Kryta quests.
I am not even playing pvp they can see that in their log files too.

Read all my posts in here and then explain to me why Gaile is even going to look into this if i did actually bot in-game.

Yes other people might try the same road, but the log files would work against them if they actually botted.
Check the following link as an example : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...ssues#Error_45
Gaile actually told that guy straight on that he botted, they can check log files.

I am actually glad they are looking into this and i did learn my lesson about 3rd party applications.
But to say i should have a permanent ban for just that.

Gill Halendt · Jun 17, 2010, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Emunator

I am actually glad they are looking into this and i did learn my lesson about 3rd party applications.

I'm glad they did too. Hope you'll get your situation sorted.

PaketFakor manipulates data packets, so it's theoretically an hack, but then again, it's a completely harmless one.

Mmmh... Thorny situation. Keep us updated!

Firebaall · Jun 18, 2010, 03:36 AM // 03:36

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Can i ask what i did to hurt you ??
They can see in their log files that i am not even farming, that i had a long break before returning to actively playing the Kryta quests.
I am not even playing pvp they can see that in their log files too.

Any injury to myself is the same visted on any other player. It doesn't matter what you "claim" you did, since you used PaketFakor you also used Guild Wars Client API. A reason alone why you should be banned.

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Read all my posts in here and then explain to me why Gaile is even going to look into this if i did actually bot in-game.

Simply because many botters are also claiming to "only" have used PacketFakor. They think because it is only client side "like texmod", they can use it as an excuse to hide their other botting activity and use of GWCA. I'll bet you sure didn't link Gaile to the author's post on the hacking site where PaketFakor is published....for good reason.

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Yes other people might try the same road, but the log files would work against them if they actually botted.
Check the following link as an example : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...ssues#Error_45
Gaile actually told that guy straight on that he botted, they can check log files.

I am actually glad they are looking into this and i did learn my lesson about 3rd party applications.
But to say i should have a permanent ban for just that.

The bots that were caught all used the graphics.dll injection and GWCA. So did Paketfakor. What did you expect from software that was released by a bot scripter? If you knew how to load it, you sure as hell knew where it came from. You won the prize for 3rd Party applications. Perm ban. That's your lesson...

p.s.

The author of PaketFakor even warned people it's use was at your own risk......squirm out of that.

belshazaarswrath · Jun 18, 2010, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

Any injury to myself is the same visted on any other player. It doesn't matter what you "claim" you did, since you used PaketFakor you also used Guild Wars Client API. A reason alone why you should be banned.

Simply because many botters are also claiming to "only" have used PacketFakor. They think because it is only client side "like texmod", they can use it as an excuse to hide their other botting activity and use of GWCA. I'll bet you sure didn't link Gaile to the author's post on the hacking site where PaketFakor is published....for good reason.

The bots that were caught all used the graphics.dll injection and GWCA. So did Paketfakor. What did you expect from software that was released by a bot scripter? If you knew how to load it, you sure as hell knew where it came from. You won the prize for 3rd Party applications. Perm ban. That's your lesson...

p.s.

The author of PaketFakor even warned people it's use was at your own risk......squirm out of that.

Well I guess it's good the decision isn't up to you then huh? Gaile seems to think this guy might have gotten hit unfairly. I would wait for the jury to be out before I hit the ceiling with assholery.

shoyon456 · Jun 18, 2010, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

Well I guess it's good the decision isn't up to you then huh? Gaile seems to think this guy might have gotten hit unfairly.

Wrong. Gaile is not here to greenlight programs. She specifically said in her response that she simply wants to investigate the program in question, probably so that Anet could make an official announcement/position warning against the use of the program.

Secondly, as previously mentioned, this would set a precedent that would enable actual botters to claim they only used the program Emunator used. Yes, Anet could probably manually check game records, but imagine having to do that 3,700 times or more if you include the fact that many of the botters will be spamming Anet with messages of "I'm innocent!"

Emunator, you used a 3rd party program. Anet's position has always been that you use them at your own risk. Nothing beyond that simple fact matters. Other than texmod, there is really no legitimate reason to claim that you needed a third party program.

I also find it very convenient, Emunator, that you claim your account was accessed by another person yet apparently never opened up a ticket about the incident according to Gaile's initial search.

But hell, they can let all the botters back into the game for all I care, Anet isn't getting more of my money. This is all on their dime anyways!

belshazaarswrath · Jun 18, 2010, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Wrong. Gaile is not here to greenlight programs. She specifically said in her response that she simply wants to investigate the program in question, probably so that Anet could make an official announcement/position warning against the use of the program.

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My actions may not change the outcome, but I thought it would be worthwhile to research this on several levels.

If there's a guarantee nothing would change she would have said that.

Emunator · Jun 18, 2010, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

I also find it very convenient, Emunator, that you claim your account was accessed by another person yet apparently never opened up a ticket about the incident according to Gaile's initial search.

That happened in the beginning of 2009, they deleted a lot of tickets for security reasons during the time that the ncsoft accounts seemed to be hacked easily.
They did delete tickets that had scanned access keys and such.

I also can tell that i received another mail from Gaile, not posting them since there is information in it that is personal.
She is still looking into my account and asked for more information.
I will keep you guys posted when i have more information.

Firebaall · Jun 18, 2010, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

Well I guess it's good the decision isn't up to you then huh? Gaile seems to think this guy might have gotten hit unfairly. I would wait for the jury to be out before I hit the ceiling with assholery.

I smell ass, and it's from your mouth. Stop talking shit.

I posted exactly why this person was banned. I highly suspect any further information that person provided Gaile left out where he really got the software from. By the very nature of how this particular script worked is reason enough for the ban.

BuD · Jun 18, 2010, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Other than texmod, there is really no legitimate reason to claim that you needed a third party program.

High Rez armors in outposts? Running 2 accounts at the same time?

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

but imagine having to do that 3,700 times or more

Split between 4 people thats not even 1000 per person. Imagine having to open 10,000 chests, ID 10,000 gold items, 10,000 drunk minutes or gain 10,000,000 faction twice! :P & we dont even get paid to do that (well most of us dont), we paid to do it lol :P

Emunator · Jun 18, 2010, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

I smell ass, and it's from your mouth. Stop talking shit.

I posted exactly why this person was banned. I highly suspect any further information that person provided Gaile left out where he really got the software from. By the very nature of how this particular script worked is reason enough for the ban.

I actually told Gaile where i did get the software from, but not posting that here since people might get banned for using it.
Now please stop trolling/flaming since i actually am showing what support is doing.
I am trying to be unbiased as possible wich is hard enough for me since i did get banned.
Yes i should have stayed away from 3rd party applications like that, but i did nothing that would have hurt the economy or anyone else.
I just enjoyed the game like a lot of other people.

But whatever way you look at it from my opinion, i do not deserve a permanent ban for the thing i did.

Yes they should permanently ban gold traders and or botters, i totally agree on that.
But they should also check the logs, manually or automatic so they wont ban people that do no wrong to others.

I really hope that in GW2 they give us an add-on system like in World of Warcraft for example, so it will be easier to distinguish right from wrong.

But please do not be as small minded as you are now at the moment, it does not help anyone.

belshazaarswrath · Jun 18, 2010, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

I smell ass, and it's from your mouth. Stop talking shit.

I posted exactly why this person was banned. I highly suspect any further information that person provided Gaile left out where he really got the software from. By the very nature of how this particular script worked is reason enough for the ban.

According to you...but they are looking into it. Which means there's a chance of them proving he didn't do anything wrong.

I don't see how you aren't understanding this...

You may be right and he may remain banned...or he may not. That's all I'm saying.

I don't understand why you have to be such a dick about all this. It's not like any of this affects you in any way.

MisterB · Jun 18, 2010, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Emunator, you used a 3rd party program. Anet's position has always been that you use them at your own risk. Nothing beyond that simple fact matters. Other than texmod, there is really no legitimate reason to claim that you needed a third party program.

It is not against the rules to use 3rd party software while playing Guild Wars. It is against the rules to use 3rd party software that gives you an advantage, alters or influences the client or server, or automates play. It is also against the rules to use 3rd party software whenever they decide it is, just to cover any other unforeseen use. I use third party software in Guild Wars, and I assure you there is a legitimate reason for doing so. I couldn't care less about losing support, since in my case they are not helpful in the least, and I accept full responsibility for the very marginal risk of using it.

On topic, I have emailed support and received a series of automated nonsense non-answers before receiving a satisfactory reply. I have no idea if the final response was pre-written or not, however.

shoyon456 · Jun 18, 2010, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by BuD

High Rez armors in outposts? Running 2 accounts at the same time?

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that you had to be able to see everyone's armors in high resolution in outposts to enjoy the game. And I also forgot that you had to be able to run 2 accounts at once so you could get a mini polar bear in order to enjoy the game.

While I find it asinine for you to claim that you "need" these things in order to play, these aren't even the programs Anet has been banning for. Ironically, you can use them in their original, unmodified versions. However, if your priorities are going up to people in Lions to look at their armor in Hi-Res and running multiple accounts to farm for MPB's or avoid grouping with other people, I think you're missing the point of the game.

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Originally Posted by MisterB

It is not against the rules to use 3rd party software while playing Guild Wars.

I never said it was. I said it was use at your own risk.

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Originally Posted by MisterB

I use third party software in Guild Wars, and I assure you there is a legitimate reason for doing so.

Please, elaborate. Because frankly I see anything more than texmod as a blatant way to bypass game mechanics that have been put in place for a reason. Even texmod does this to an extent, but not nearly as drastically as others such as the multi-client launcher.

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Originally Posted by MisterB

I accept full responsibility for the very marginal risk of using it.

This is what I like to hear...since it is and has always been use at your own risk.

MisterB · Jun 18, 2010, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Please, elaborate.

No. It's none of your business. It is a matter between myself, ArenaNet, and NCSoft, and it does not concern you or anyone else. I have already emailed them.